How Harry Ironside met the Agnostic's Challenge

[This is how the man of God, Harry Ironside, describes the event which took place in San Francisco. I have edited it somewhat for easier reading in this blog.]

One Lord's Day afternoon as I was walking up Market Street, I saw a large group gathered at the corner of Market and Grant Avenue. When I heard the sound of music and singing, I realized in a moment that it was a meeting of my old Salvationist friends, and went over to enjoy it. There were perhaps sixty soldiers in all, who had formed a large circle round which some three or four hundred people were gathered. I was immediately recognized by the little lassie captain who asked me to give a testimony. Of course I was pleased to do this; so I stepped into the ring and tried to give a gospel message based on my own personal experience of Christ's saving grace.

While I was speaking, I noticed that a well-dressed man who was standing on the curb took a card from his pocket and wrote something on it. Just as I was concluding my talk, he stepped forward and handed me the card. On one side I read his name. I realized at once who he was, for I had seen his name in the public press and on placards as one who had been giving addresses for some months all up and down the West Coast from Vancouver to San Diego. He was an official representative of what was then called the I. W. W. Movement — that is, the "Industrial Workers of the World". He held meetings among laboring men, seeking to incite them to class hatred and to organize with a view to overthrowing the capitalistic system.

Turning the card over, I read the following challenge: "Sir, I challenge you to debate with me the question 'Agnosticism versus Christianity' in the Academy of Science Hall next Sunday afternoon at four o'clock. I will pay all expenses —."

I read the card aloud, and replied as follows: "I am very much interested in this challenge. I will be glad to agree to this debate on the following conditions: namely, that in order to prove that Mr.—— has something worth fighting for, he will promise to bring with him to the Hall next Sunday two people as proof that agnosticism is of real value in changing human lives and building true character. First, he must promise to bring with him one man who was for years a 'down-and-outer' -- a man who for years was under the power of evil habits from which he could not deliver himself, but who on some occasion entered one of Mr.——s meetings and heard his glorification of agnosticism and his denunciations of the Bible and Christianity, and whose heart and mind were so deeply stirred that he went away from that meeting saying, 'Henceforth, I too am an agnostic!' and as a result of imbibing that particular philosophy he found that a new power had come into his life. The sins he once loved, now he hated, and righteousness and goodness were henceforth the ideals of his life. He is now an entirely new man, a credit to himself and an asset to society — all because he is an agnostic.

"Secondly, I would like Mr.—— to promise to bring with him one who was once a poor, wrecked, characterless outcast, the slave of evil passions, and the victim of man's corrupt living." I added, "Perhaps one who had lived for years in some evil resort on Pacific Street, or in some other nearby hell-hole, utterly lost, ruined and wretched because of her life of sin. But this woman also entered a hall where Mr.—— was loudly proclaiming his agnosticism and ridiculing the message of the Holy Scriptures. As she listened, hope was born in her heart, and she said, 'This is just what I need to deliver me from the slavery of sin!' She followed the teaching until she became an intelligent agnostic or infidel. As a result, her whole being revolted against the degradation of the life she had been living. She fled from the den of iniquity where she had been held captive so long; and today, rehabilitated, she has won her way back to an honored position in society and is living a clean, virtuous, happy life — all because she is an agnostic.

"Now, Mr.——," I exclaimed, "if you will promise to bring these two people with you as examples of what agnosticism will do, I will promise to meet you at the Hall at the hour appointed next Sunday, and I will bring with me at the very least one hundred men and women who for years lived in just such sinful degradation as I have tried to depict, but who have been gloriously saved through believing the message of the gospel which you ridicule. I will have these men and women with me on the platform as witnesses to the miraculous saving power of Jesus Christ, and as present-day proof of the truth of the Bible."

Turning to the little Salvation Army captain, I said, "Captain, have you any who could go with me to such a meeting?" She exclaimed with enthusiasm, "We can give you forty at least, just from this one corps, and we will give you a brass band to lead the procession!"

"Fine!" I answered. "Now, Mr.——, I will have no difficulty in picking up sixty others from various Missions, Gospel Halls, and evangelical churches of the city, and if you promise faithfully to bring just two such exhibits as I have described, I will come marching in at the head of such a procession, with the band playing 'Onward, Christian Soldiers,' and I will be ready for the debate."

I think Mr.—— smiled rather sardonically, waved his hand in a deprecating kind of way as much as to say, "Nothing doing!" and edging through the crowd he left the scene, while that great crowd clapped the Salvation Army and the street-preacher to the echo, for they well knew that in all the annals of unbelief no one ever heard of a philosophy of negation, such as agnosticism, making bad men and women good, and they also knew that this is what Christianity has been doing all down through the centuries.

Our gospel proves itself by what it accomplishes, as redeemed people from every walk of life, delivered from every type of sin, prove the regenerating and keeping power of the Christ of whom the Bible speaks.

Daniel Chapter Four

These are extracts from Chapter Four of the book, 'The Overcomers' Secret', by Bro. Bakht Singh. It will do us good to reflect over them and pray that God will plant them deep in our hearts. It is worth reading this small book, especially in times of trial.

1. God is not depending upon the multitudes to fulfil His great purposes. It is true that eternal life is a free gift offered by God to all men... But if you want to be an overcomer, you must be willing to be brought fully into the possession of the Lord Jesus Christ, and kept under His Lordship and Kingship in every small detail of your life and ministry.

2. More prosperity brings more pride. Men become slaves to prosperity, and with a desire to continue in it, they are ready to please and honour men rather than God. This increases their blindness. Even believers fall into this snare of pleasing men.

3. When we fail to honour God, we also become spiritually blind. Times of worship are helpful in preventing this condition. When we cut short this time of worship and fail to thank God sufficiently for all that He has done for us, we will not be able to enjoy His fellowship fully. We may read the Bible and attend meetings, but we will not be able to enjoy God's presence.

4. The divine law is that only by humbling ourselves will we be exalted. If we are overcomers, we will know how to humble ourselves. Nebuchadnezzar had to become like a beast before he could learn the lesson of humbling himself. From the time of Nebuchadnezzar's first dream [Daniel chapter 2] till the time he learned to extol and honour the King of heaven [Daniel 4.37], it is reckoned to be about 47 years. It took so many years for Nebuchadnezzar to extol the true God. Do not be like Nebuchadnezzar. Do not wait till you are chastised. Do not wait till you become like a beast.

5. It is better to give all the glory to the Lord and extol Him at every opportunity. This is the secret of an overcoming life. You must be able to extol God by your words, by the testimony of your life, and by your ministry. Refuse to be honoured by men. Run away from people who flatter you and magnify you.

6. There seems to be a real danger in this matter, especially in European [I would now say, all] countries. When they arrange campaigns or special meetings, they display large posters extolling the speaker. They put his picture on handbills which are full of his praise... They think this is the best way to draw crowds to the meetings. But they forget that our God is a jealous God. He will not allow His glory to be given to another.

7. The Lord Jesus will surely reveal every secret to us at the right time. There is no need for us to worry before that time... You should remain humble and at every opportunity extol, magnify and glorify our Lord, knowing how great He is. Do not depend upon your own human wisdom... Believe from your heart that human glory will soon pass away. In all humility thank God for the honour He has given to you to serve Him and for the joy to see the fruit of your labour. It is by His grace alone you are what you are. [1 cor 15.9,10].

8. God never forgets what we do for Him. All our labour will be amply rewarded. It is only when a man refuses to humble himself, even after every chance which the Lord gives him, that he will be cast away. May the Lord save us from all these pitfalls and make us true overcomers.

[This book, which contains studies on the book of Daniel, is a must-be-read in times of trial. It has been a great source of comfort and encouragement to me in my present trial.]